Comments on: Orders? http://www.forwardinfaithlincs.org.uk/blog/?p=66 Traditional Anglicans in Lincolnshire Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:42:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Fr Barry Tomlinson http://www.forwardinfaithlincs.org.uk/blog/?p=66&cpage=1#comment-18 Fr Barry Tomlinson Thu, 05 May 2011 06:49:39 +0000 http://www.forwardinfaithlincs.org.uk/blog/?p=66#comment-18 I believe that ordination, like baptism is unrepeatable. Submitting to re-ordination has to be a denial of the first ordination, otherwise it is unnecessary. Doesn't the guidance on the marriage regulation advise against a couple remarrying each other on the grounds that it casts doubts on the first ceremony? I believe that ordination, like baptism is unrepeatable. Submitting to re-ordination has to be a denial of the first ordination, otherwise it is unnecessary. Doesn’t the guidance on the marriage regulation advise against a couple remarrying each other on the grounds that it casts doubts on the first ceremony?

]]> By: Little Black Sambo http://www.forwardinfaithlincs.org.uk/blog/?p=66&cpage=1#comment-17 Little Black Sambo Wed, 04 May 2011 17:02:00 +0000 http://www.forwardinfaithlincs.org.uk/blog/?p=66#comment-17 Since ordination cannot be repeated, and since the people now undergoing re-ordination have never doubted their orders, these ordinations must be conditional, or in some way supplementary. Presumably those doing the reordaining believe the candidates were not already deacons or priests. But everybody has agreed not to say anything out loud, and perhaps that is the only way. It is reminiscent, however, of the fatal flaw in the old Anglican-Methodist scheme. Since ordination cannot be repeated, and since the people now undergoing re-ordination have never doubted their orders, these ordinations must be conditional, or in some way supplementary. Presumably those doing the reordaining believe the candidates were not already deacons or priests. But everybody has agreed not to say anything out loud, and perhaps that is the only way. It is reminiscent, however, of the fatal flaw in the old Anglican-Methodist scheme.

]]> By: St Hybald http://www.forwardinfaithlincs.org.uk/blog/?p=66&cpage=1#comment-16 St Hybald Mon, 02 May 2011 09:03:17 +0000 http://www.forwardinfaithlincs.org.uk/blog/?p=66#comment-16 Ed, Thanks for your comment. I do take your point. But while we may not feel able to verbalise what we think or feel about issues such as this, our actions do, inevitably, make statements (simple or otherwise) on our behalf that it is difficult to avoid. Former Anglicans entering the Ordinariate might not wish stand up and say ‘I wasn’t really a Priest’ or ‘I hadn’t actually been Confirmed’, but some would say that subsequent (or superseding) Ordinations and Confirmations do make those statements. Perhaps we need a need way of articulating what is actually happening so that honesty and integrity and be preserved on all sides? Hybald Ed,

Thanks for your comment. I do take your point. But while we may not feel able to verbalise what we think or feel about issues such as this, our actions do, inevitably, make statements (simple or otherwise) on our behalf that it is difficult to avoid. Former Anglicans entering the Ordinariate might not wish stand up and say ‘I wasn’t really a Priest’ or ‘I hadn’t actually been Confirmed’, but some would say that subsequent (or superseding) Ordinations and Confirmations do make those statements. Perhaps we need a need way of articulating what is actually happening so that honesty and integrity and be preserved on all sides?

Hybald

]]> By: Ed Tomlinson http://www.forwardinfaithlincs.org.uk/blog/?p=66&cpage=1#comment-15 Ed Tomlinson Mon, 02 May 2011 08:27:39 +0000 http://www.forwardinfaithlincs.org.uk/blog/?p=66#comment-15 hmmm I am not sure it IS as simple as that. As one currently donning the shirt and tie - this has far more to do with my own personal need for a break between putting down one ministry and taking up another than in making any theological statement. In truth I could not answer the question. It is enough for me to say only God really knows and all grace comes from Him in any case. Certainly he blessed my ministry as an Anglican but it is also true that there is a new assurance and certainty in joining Rome that was not there before. Sorry- that is a bit grey and soggy! But it is the truth hmmm I am not sure it IS as simple as that. As one currently donning the shirt and tie – this has far more to do with my own personal need for a break between putting down one ministry and taking up another than in making any theological statement.

In truth I could not answer the question. It is enough for me to say only God really knows and all grace comes from Him in any case. Certainly he blessed my ministry as an Anglican but it is also true that there is a new assurance and certainty in joining Rome that was not there before.

Sorry- that is a bit grey and soggy! But it is the truth

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